#it's literally all about dean
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old number seven, the devil makes three
#impossible to choose one lyric from this song#it's literally all about dean#“angels start to look good to me”#are you joking#supernatural#cw supernatural#spn#dean winchester#castiel#dean and cas#deancas#destiel#lyrics#lyric posting#the devil makes three
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having talented friends is so wild!!!!!! like. YOU!!!!!!!!!! YOU made THAT. YOU DID THAT?!?!?!?! YOU created!!!! THAT!!!!!!!!!!! WOAH!!!!!! praise!!!!!!!! praise for one thousand years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#sjonnie.text#this is about any skill by the way#writing art music crochet knitting editing#literally so so so so wild#yes this is about isaac and cody and taylor and nick and joey and dean and rain and mer and greg and jo and amanda and pie and zeph and jes#and daphne and jack and merv and angie and#sam and dex and jenna and tj and nahla and jenny and val and em and literally every single other one of my mutuals!!!!!!!! GAH!!!!!#you all are so talented it's SO cool#40k
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i lied theres no sex. were gonna sit down and watch supernatural while we analyze the way almost every character is queer coded especially dean
#supernatural#dean winchester#spn#destiel#castiel#deancas#sam winchester#theyre all queer because i said so#at this point it feels so wrong to call deans queerness a headcanon like it so soo heavily implied its literally canon#sam however......#and if i said a character who has always felt like they dont belong and something is inherently wrong with them is heavy queercoding......#like wow thats Queer Experience literally#ALSO U KNOW WHAT IM SOOOOOO UPSET ABOUT OMG#like i LOVE LOVE LOVE when in dean and cas live together and claire and kaia come over and hang out im gonna cryyyyy#and they sooo shouldve done that in the show#anyway a queer show (real) for queer people (debatable)
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I think its absolutely hilarious that Dean and Castiel go through inhuman amounts of trauma over the course of a decade plus, and somehow they still arent the human x angel ship on the show that has gone through the most detrimental mind bending shit. Michael and Adam were literally trapped in hell together alone for over 1000 years and they walked out the other side healthier than Dean and Cas could ever possibly be. Iconic really
#spn#supernatural#spn musings#destiel#deancas#midam#adam milligan#random thoughts because the inherent hilarity of it all is fantastic#like midam LITERALLY was abandoned and forgotten about by both the characters in universe and writers#fuck sam and dean for that fr though#dean winchester you are full of So many problems and issues#cagecore#nobody is doing it like them#and by them I mean every party involved because what the FUCK is going on there#how did the writers keep getting away with this#how do you consistently write the most batshit things ever without considering the implications involved
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Cas really read dean to filth within an inch of his LIFE three (3) minutes after meeting him (What's the matter? You don't think you deserve to be saved?), threatened him the very next time he saw him (You should show me some respect. I'm the one who dragged you out of hell. I can throw you back in.), then the time after that overshared about being a good little soldier (Can I tell you something if you promise not to tell another soul? I'm not a... hammer, as you say. I have questions. I have doubts)
absolutely insane writing from the destiel show
#look i don't even know where i was going with this post#im just.... the timing of it all#like literally their first three interactions#in this exact order#im just fully insane about s4 and the way cas changes almost instantly after meeting dean in person#destiel#don't ask me to make sense of this post please it's almost midnight and i got like 4 hours of sleep last night#and lord im about to do it again#spn#it's ya boi rach
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Personal space? [x]
#spn fanart#spn art#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#spnfanart#wiggleart#I love this mating dance#the joke here is ladies and gentleman and all in between that dean complains at that point about personal space but in the end they wind#up so literally infused into one another they’re always so close lmao#after 1518 I’m sure Dean mourned any indication of wanting personal space even a decade prior#Sorry sad thoughts I’m done I promise
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there is interesting johndean subtext and insinuations across kripke era, usually through an antagonist insinuating parent-child sexual violence in order to exert dominance over dean. this type of mockery exploits that ambiguous relationship between john and dean and reminds dean that he never had a normal relationship with his father, and that makes him gross and wrong. it doesn't actually matter in the end whether john was sexually abusive to dean. the core of their relationship was damning enough: dean was made to take the place of john's wife—to comfort john and raise sam—while simultaneously being his son. the codependent nature of their relationship implies the incest that underscores their dynamic. again, this is regardless of what literally occurred between dean and john because there is enough doubt toward the nature of their relationship that multiple antagonists can use it against them.
sonwife, brotherhusband—dean is stuck in a liminal space between family and lover and is unable to put his feet firmly on just one side and instead has to accept both together or abandon both together. he doesn't get to have a relationship with his family without it being simultaneously incestuous. he plays the role of wife to john and mother to sam as mary's replacement; he therefore becomes more than a son and transcends the boundaries of the familial into the incestuous. it's baked into the dynamic and he can't hope to escape the liminality in which he's stuck without abandoning his entire family altogether.
this ambiguous relationship is further acted out with sam, where people perceive them as lovers rather than brothers; where their mutual devotion trumps, neglects, and disallows any other close relationship outside each other; where their physical closeness is viewed through an unusually sexual lens despite no literal sex acts between them taking place on screen. once again dean is stuck in a liminal space, paralleling the ambiguous and uncertain relationship he had with john.
in the end, sex (and sexual violence) is just a symbol of this codependency and uncertainly incestuous dynamic. sex acts in kripke era end up being symbolic: misinterpretations of sam and dean's relationship; accusations of sexual violence; literal, on-screen sexual moments between the brothers and someone else. it's a literary device that highlights the incestuous themes of the show. dean hand-picks women for sam to fuck because it allows dean to be symbolically part of sam's sex life. henricksen accuses john of raping dean because it is a symbol of the unhealthy, codependent relationship dean had with his father. the samulet stays on during sex because sam is symbolically integral to dean's sexual gratification (seen too in the way both dean and cassie in 1.13 appear to kiss the amulet at least once in the dark room). sex is used to signify more than what's literally on the screen, and the connections between the literal sex acts and the blurred lines of dean's familial relationships allow for a reading of incest between both john and dean and sam and dean.
it never mattered whether johndean or samdean had a sexual relationship in the canon because that was never the point. the point is the liminality that permeates the narrative. sam, dean, and john all stand upon a threshold between acceptable and taboo. the point of it all is the doubt and anxiety, the are-they-aren't-they that is never answered. the absence of incest within the text invites the understanding that the incest was, in fact, always there.
#supernatural#wincest#samdean#johndean#i've been thinking about this yesterday since i talked about it with mac#figured i could share it here too and hopefully move on lol#i tried so hard to make this easy to understand but i fear that i will be misinterpreted nonetheless#i suppose that's what happens when your topic of choice is literally Doubt Uncertainty and Liminality#i focused this on dean's relation to the liminal incest of the narrative only because he's the common thread between johndean and samdean#obviously sam dean and john all equally occupy the liminal space here#dean simply worked as a good focal point through which i could make the argument#.txt#spn posting
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sam’s daddy issues are just as bad as dean’s btw, if not worse (probably much worse). he canonically had two controlling dads (john and dean). except he’s much better at hiding his vulnerability than dean
#sam and dean’s post s1 dynamic is literally sam being dean and dean being john#also dean practically raised sam and pretty much fucked him up in th process by making sam’s daddy issues even worse#bc obviously he couldn’t be a perfect dad for sam and he was so much like john#in the end it’s all about the cycles#wincest#samdean#spn
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CASTIEL: Stop. What's the point if you don't mean it? You fear me - not love, not respect, just fear.
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a godstiel pity party. i'd like to thank an anon i got way back in february of 2021.
#spn#vid#spnamvarchive#so fun fact i started making this more than a year ago. got it 90% done. and then was like no this isn't working#i will come back to this later.#it turns out that i needed to make some videos about cas and angels (the love club + help i'm alive amvs)#in order to make this one. anyway this video is about french mistake robert singer voice season six#i really struggled with it because i could NOT find the thread until i realized that it needed to be literally godstiel pov#it's about love and desire and jealousy and hurt and omnidirectional rage <3#it's about the fact that cas is so utterly dependent on dean for his self-image - however dean sees him that's it#it's about having a moment of reflection about lashing out before you do it but doing it anyway#it's about taking cruelty and dishing it out#and crucially. it's about being pregnant#mpregpocalypse#fun fact: i made a post about working on three season six amvs all the way back in nov. 2022#and only now have they come to fruition (this one + love club + metric)#anyway. have you heard that cas is obsessed#the thing is i do kinda want to add some specific director's commentary here. like the first verse is about cas being like.#incredibly deeply emotionally vulnerable to dean. as in: his emotional state and self-image is totally dominated by what dean thinks of him#and if dean is mad at him. and then the second verse is about... dean upsetting him and him responding to that by Killing Everybody lol#like he has a moment of reflection ['certain regrettable things are now required of me' + killing rachel] where he's like i've 1) also done#bad things and 2) i feel bad about it so maybe i will regret Killing Everyone. but then he does it anyway due to everybody keeps turning#on him. i feel like the rest of the amv is self evident. i guess i should note that 'share a paradise' is about how both of them have#a nostalgic view of the early days of their relationship when it wasn't Like This lol. but everything else i think is self evident.#oh and the reason the other angels flash onscreen with their burned wings at the end is i'm EVOKING the image of cas' wings burning. even#though it doesn't happen. i'm evoking it
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people who’ve only seen hatchetfield: starkid has like practically no gay characters :/
the avp trilogy which has been sitting right there for probably most of their lives and is the foundation of everything:
plus these less explicit more headcanony (but like, BARELY) examples that i really think are worth mentioning as well, i have receipts don’t tempt me i will literally make an entire video about this stuff (and i might actually):
#i will literally fight you over lavender btw#i was tempted to put her in the first category#(i will fight you about ron as well)#also like…#girl nobody Has to watch everything but if they’re gonna make sweeping statements like this and act like authorities Yes they do actually#harry is fruity as hell idc what that incorrect subtitle of scarfy in avps says#(no seriously the subtitle is wrong he says METROSEXUAL i’ll die on this hill)#that man L O V E S zac efron#in fact basically all the men do#starkid#team starkid#avpm#avps#avpsy#avpt#avp trilogy#a very potter musical#a very potter sequel#a very potter senior year#a very potter trilogy#also seamus & dean are canonically polyamorous????#if 'being open to the idea of both dating ginny at the same time' counts#in which case. draco is also canonically polyamorous
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i’ve never been as angry on behalf of a character as i am for sam winchester
#currently thinking about season four and five. absolutely fuckibg mental#the world literally reshapes itself around him to prove him wrong#its all framed as God. Sam was so stupid and selfish and reckless for drinking demon blood. He just liked the power of it and he chose a#DEMON over DEAN.#but. that’s not the story they tell in s4.#like even aside from every single other complexity. Sam is literally right. he has ZERO WAY of knowing that killing lilith is the final seal#AND DEAN DOESNT KNOW TJAT EITHER. like sam is literally right he can kill lilith and he does kill lilith. dean wants lilith dead just as#much. sam’s cardinal sin is disobeying dean and then the world flips around on him and plot twist sam and dean were both wrong all along and#killing lilith is what will bring back lucifer :)#but. it’s not framed like that either. it’s framed like SAM BROUGHT BACK LUCIFER BY KILLING LILITH WHILE HIGH ON DEMON BLOOD#dean you wanted to kill lilith too?????????#but. doesn’t matter dean despite being mostly motivated by jealous anger is retroactively proven to be Right#and sam is retroactively proven to be Wrong. he is bad#i just. jesus. sam’s not evil ever. he’s hardly even that fucking morally grey#and he still thinks there’s something wrong with him that he’s a freak that he’s inherently evil and needs to be purified#why?? cause of something fucked up that happened to him when he was a baby#and because he’s disobeyed his father and his brother and been angry at awful things that have happened to him#makes me feel fucking insane actually#no wonder narrative frames sam as evil no wonder he’s inherently marked as Bad by the forces in supernatural like even on a meta level#in supernatural gods just another shitty father. embodiment of the familial patriarch. and from sam’s very first moment on the show he’s in#opposition to that he’s ran away from john and he argues with dean. therefore he is evil#i don’t think my words r really making sense right now but. fucking hell#and sam is so swamped in guilt all of season five and he just fucking accepts that everything bad is his fault#and he gets tortured in the cage to save the fucking world and it’s STILL not enough. not to appease his own guilt and not to appease deans#anger at him. dean is still throwing his perceived violations back at him in like season nine!!#and whenever he tries to get out it’s treated as yet another Sin. narrative acts like sam thinking dean was dead and having a life outside#of hunting is The Worst Thing He Ever Did#worst sin sam ever commits in the eyes of the show is disobedience. Absolutely awful actually#spn#sam winchester
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i’d love to know how much of early day's spn subtext was deliberate or just a happy accident bc the subplot of 1x08 bugs is sam and dean butting heads about how they were raised and sam hating it while dean tells him he should accept it as they protect a family; predominantly a father and son
the father and son argue bc the son is different and not who the father wants him to be while the son feels ignored and shunned (aka sam). sam spends the episode empathising with him and telling him he can look forward to going to college to get away from him just like he did while dean cuts in to say he should stick with his family
the entire episode, dean defends john and the way he raised them ("maybe he needed to raise his voice but sometimes you were out of line"), it even starts with him and sam arguing over their illegal ways of making money and how they were brought up in the life; dean adapting to and enjoying it and sam wanting to be honest and straight
they talk about sam being sure john is and always has been disappointed in him just for dean to say john used to go to stanford whenever he could to check on him and something about his expression is so bitter; like he knows john would never express that care for him
but at the climax when they're trying to get matt to convince his dad to leave, sam is the one telling him to tell the truth and make his dad listen whereas dean tells him to lie; implying he wouldn't trust his son enough to believe him
he outright scoffs at sam and asks him what he was thinking for trying to get matt to tell the truth
the entire episode, dean is advocating for the kid to work it out (almost to just take it) and stay with his family but when push comes to shove, he tells him to lie
sam who spent years resenting john and his family for how they were raised, fell back on "making him listen"; echoing all the arguments he had with john, trying to force him to understand who he is while john's too blinded by vengeance to even begin to try. the same way sam refuses to see how they were raised and why they were raised that way from john’s point of view, hinting at how similar people they are (which still isn’t an excuse but also not the point rn)
dean winchester, the king of repression and masking (and fawning), dean who at this point is still staunchly defending john, tells a shunned kid with a harsh father to pretend in order for his father to care enough to listen to him and believe him
dean knows reasoning won't work bc he's watched it happen over and over again with sam and john
even the way matt tries to say, “but he’s my�� (father)” feels like he’s coming over to dean’s point of view; that matt as a son respects his father to enough to tell the truth and no matter how much they’ve fought, that should trump everything. but dean still insists he lies. and matt tells the truth. and his father doesn’t listen
there's no way they intentionally made dean subconsciously know that a man raising his son in a mimicry of how john raised them wouldn't respect or trust his son enough to believe him about something potentially life threatening after half a season of john ignoring them about something potentially life threatening
right?
#sam accusing dean of being perfect and thats why john never yelled at him actually makes me crazy#especially when you take in how much dean fawns when hes around john#fawning being the fear response of making yourself as unobtrusive as possible so you dont become a target#deans fawn response is to be the soldier; to always agree and listen to orders and be johns mini replica so he doesnt make waves#its not just him being a good son despite how much thats hammered into us over the course if the show#thats why he tries so hard to get sam to just agree and do as hes told; not just bc he thinks john is right but so it wont cause an argument#arguments he expressly hates despite being highly confrontational with literally everyone else#he only has a fawn fear response when it comes to john and sam; not even bobby gets the same level of repression#anyway i unintentionally started a rewatch and dean flipping on a dime about how the kid should be with his father twigged my interest#and how much of it was intentional? in the good supernatural in my head all of it is#but alas this is the real supernatural and it was probably completely unintentional and means nothing#especially since the episode ends with the kid throwing away the things that make him different#and sam saying he wants to apologise to john in person for the things he said to him when he left for stanford#hes dean says he will apologise then theyll immediately be at each others throats again but he doesnt really progress at all beyond that#he spends the whole episode saying relationships are a two way street and sam said awful things and should pick up the slack between them#and he ends with that same mindset so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ likely all of it was unintentional#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#carry on my wayward son#talk meta to me#supernatural#spn#meta#dean winchester#sam winchester#john winchester#john winchesters a+ parenting
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man okay so I used to play mechquest and dragonfable back in like, 2008 when I was a kid with very little patience to follow a storyline. coming back as an adult and finishing mechquest has absolutely slapped me silly with how deep and serious the story is in between all the absurdist humour. I have. so many emotions over the whole storyline, and especially so many thoughts about the unique form of tragedy that is The Reset.
You save the world but it's not the world anymore. You and your friends survive but you don't know each other anymore- have nothing left of the lives you fought to keep. You 'save' everything but it's still all gone. Everything you knew and loved, gone, and you don't even know what you've lost. You can't even keep the memory of what you had- and that's almost kinder compared to being one of the 3ish people who DO remember... and have to live around everyone else who doesn't, knowing their closest friends look at them and see a stranger, and that they may as well be because they aren't that person they remember being.
And to top it all off, that terrible sacrifice doesn't even end it. you're still left fighting impossible and devastating wars over and over. It's the tragedy of doomed time loops with extra layers of devastating all over the place. The GEARS University students being forced to become soldiers because they're all that's left to protect their homeworld. The horrors of the Shadowscythe virus taking over friends and loved ones you may be forced to put down to save yourself. The town of Falconreach burning over and over because no matter how hard they fight, it's never enough. The people like Sha'rae who sacrifice themselves to try and prevent tyrrany from seizing power, only for it to be utterly useless.
Anyway the brainrot is severe and especially dangerous since I'm coming into exam season and all my hyperfixated brain wants to do is chew on glass about these games.
#late nights with ali#ali plays ae#<- tentatively establishing this tag For The Future#mechquest#dragonfable#literally forced my roommate to listen to my thoughts on the absurd clashening of humour and tragedy that is cysero last night lmfao#imagine remembering being sys-zero with all the trauma that brings but being confined in your new self by the laws of comedy#so you can never truly acknowledge it and you have to spend your days around the people you were closest to-#(minus odessa who's just. completely absent)- and never FEEL it in any meaningful way. because you're cysero now and cysero is a comedy.#also like dude is roommates with warlic. formerly the dean of GEARS and a leader figure to him. but now he's just. some guy.#what must that be like??? pretty messed up for certain!!!#anyway I'm supposed to be finishing my final biophysics assignment and all I can think about is this#so I'm taking breaks between questions to make a playlist that I may post alongside the art I did of my MQ hero at some point#pls pray for me and my grades
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and dean winchester thought he was unlovable and didnt deserve happiness he hated himself and thought eveyone would eventually leave him and then a literal fucking angel fell in love with him. like loved him more than anything else in the world.
#and yes people have pointed out that cas has always been fascinated with the world and humans and all of gods creation#but he started Caring about the world and everyone BECAUSE OF DEAN#dont u love it when two people only fall in love with each other in One universe they get no other chances#these r the only version of themselves that said No im gonna do my own thing and they didnt play by the rules they Rebelled#THEY REBELLED FOR EACH OTHERRRRRR ONLY ONCE JUST ONCE#cas literally put everything hed ever believed in on the line for dean#he questioned everything for the first time. he began to doubt#a warrior angel and a son raised as a weapon going against everything theyve ever known for each other#they r so similar theyre both weapons for the man in charge theyve always only followed orders until they mer each other#im aware all of this has been said a billion times by literally everyone i just love them and cant stop thinking or talking about them ever#ok bye <3#supernatural#dean winchester#destiel#spn#castiel#deancas
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Bibros love to call anyone who disagrees with them about anything ✨delusionsal destiel shippers ✨ while they pompously throw around what are at best tenuously supported takes about the brothers bond but what are often just outright WRONG takes. I just had to read someone say Dean would wrap Cas’s own intestines around his neck and choke him to death to save Sam. Babygirl that isn’t the canon source material it’s your jerkoff fantasy stop demanding all of us collectively treat your kink as reality.
#as someone who was rather meh about ships in general for years simply because i didn’t enjoy engaging with fandom that way and ship wars#and blah blah blah.#bibros whether wincest shippers or not are no less deluded and wrong about the show on average than destiel shippers are#and i am SICK of their laughable sense of superiority lmfaoooo#you are wrong about SO MANY THINGS ALL OF THE TIME#CONSTANTLY wrong about sam and dean as individual characters and the moral dynamics that literally happened on your SCREEN#RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU#will bend over BACKWARDS#to turn them into caricatures based on the feelings of their ENEMIES#constantly spouting PATHETIC analyses and want me to treat you like the kings of TExtuAlLy SuPpoRtEd AnAlYseS#my GOD get a grip and WATCH THE SHOW without the bronly goggles ONE time#you are NOT as correct as you think you are and it’s pathetic af on it’s own WITHOUT y’all getting pompous as hell#dont feed the stans after midnight
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so many of y’all do not know jack!!!!!!!!!
#edit: this is a general statement but#this is specifically about the scene of him stabbing himself in the bunker#so many of you are Wrong about why and just want to go ‘bad parent dean’ and ‘he was trying to kill himself because dean wasn’t accepting#him’ like WHAT!!!!!!! he just got stabbed and didn’t die?!?! so he stabs himself again and again as confirmation that he is Abnormal. he is#a Threat. he killed a man and hurt his new friend’s mom after he killed his own mom just by being born. he can hurt people and nothing hurts#him. he’s not scared of dean or sad about dean. he has bigger problems. it’s why he kneels down in front of the gun in s14. also they’d#known each other less than a week so i’m tired of people acting like dean was such a huge parallel to john by being abusive. he didn’t even#know jack as a person at that point#and not only that but jack didn’t know himself either. and no not bc he’s ’an infant in an adult body’ or whatever y’all keep saying#but he doesn’t even know what he *is* and he doesn’t understand how he operates. like he is literally having an existential crisis and it’s#all boiled down to dean and ignores jack’s complexity. gah#jack kline#supernatural
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